Exploring the intersection where theory meets life.


Exploring the intersection where theory meets life.

Season 5 - Ethics

What should we do? What makes a “good” person? How do we figure out right versus wrong? Being human means our lives are framed by these normative questions (whether we’re conscious of it or not) and this season we dive into the heady, complex, impassioned, deeply human world of ethics.

episode 37: ethics in pop culture
august 28, 2019

It's our final mini episode, and Jana is here to chat ethics in pop culture. It's also our last official episode of And/Or/Versus. But don't despair. We'll be launching What Good is it? in a few weeks. Look for the first episode to come out in this podcast feed. Thank you so much!

Pixar is the moral guru of our time…


episode 36: moral luck
august 14, 2019

It's another Jana mini episode, this week on Thomas Nagel and Moral Luck. How much are we really in control of the consequences of our actions? How do our intuitions make a difference in what kind of praise or blame we think people deserve?? Make sure to listen for the cameo appearance from Jana's cat!

Are you feeling lucky?…

episode 35: free will/determinism
July 31, 2019

Jana is back with another mini solo episode on Free Will/Determinism. We recommend listening to this episode whilst having deep thoughts - preferably at the top of a mountain or on a lonely beach, or other summer adventure location of your choosing.

Feel the philosophizing flow over you…

Episode 34: pleasure/pain
July 17, 2019

We're taking a little summer break, but Jana is still here with a mini solo episode on Pleasure/Pain and the ethics of Jeremy Bentham. Full disclosure: we actually had one more regular episode planned, but it was eaten by Diane's computer after we recorded (truly, the only explanation). Apparently, the robot overlords don't like utilitarian ethics? Which, if you think about it, makes no sense at all.

‘Terminator’ is a movie about ethics, don’t @ us…

episode 33: personal/universal
july 3, 2019

We Kant even this week as we explore Personal/Universal. Jana is definitely NOT kidding. Diane finds out that magic IS real.

Do you even ethics if you don’t know your patronus?….

episode 32: learned/innate
June 19, 2019

We're throwing it back to Aristotle with a discussion of Virtue Ethics and Learned/Innate. Jana throws a super cool philosophy party. Diane just wants everyone to be a winner.

Ain’t no party like a philosophy party…

episode 31: is/ought
June 4, 2019

We kick off our new series on ethics with another visit from our good friend David Hume and his concept of Is/Ought. Jana finally gets to enjoy a school-free day at the beach. Diane needs Amy Adams to save her from the future Roomba overlords.

Get ready to examine your ises…

Season 4 - Emotions

This season we explore something foundational to, and historically misunderstood in, our human existence: emotions. Join us as we explore what it means to feel, what it means to think about what we feel, and what specific emotions can tell us about ourselves and about the world.

episode 30: interlude
May 21, 2019

It's a solo interlude with Jana as we wrap up our series on Emotions. Next up, Ethics! Kierkegaard better watch out - Jana may have a new philosophical love.

Ending a season is such sweet sorrow…


episode 29: resentment/empathy
may 1, 2019

We discuss the various approaches philosophy and psychology have taken towards Resentment/Empathy and whether there are any benefits to holding a grudge. Jana hosts elaborate (tv) dinner parties. Diane is still super into New Zealand. We also go off on a real Keanu tangent in this one, but can you blame us???

Of course you can’t!!! ….

episode 28: LOVE/FEAR
Apr. 24, 2019

We talk about the biblical approach to Love/Fear and how that compares to feelings like hate and indifference. Jana nails her end-of-the-semester playlist with some soothing tunes. Diane has a big (really big) spider problem.

Just to warn you: it’s a love fest around here…

episode 27: grief/depression
Apr. 10, 2019

Apologies for the sound issues this week - maybe just pretend that Diane is recording underwater with Sebastian and friends? This episode it's a philosopher rumble between Judith Butler and Martha Nussbaum as we discuss Grief/Depression. Jana perfects her skin care regimen. Diane is confused by a mystery car.

We promised we won’t bum you out TOO much…

episode 26: envy/conTentment
Mar. 26, 2019

Happy podiversary! This episode we take a little time to celebrate one year of philosophising before moving on to a discussion of Envy/Contentment and the work of Sara Protasi. Jana has serious library envy. Diane finally finds her philosophical soul mate (hint: she's now a Countess).

Don’t be jelly of Diane’s new title….

episode 25: pride/pride
Mar. 12, 2019

We take a look at Pride/Pride (no really, we promise they're different!), as defined by David Hume and Thomas Aquinas. Jana goes golfing with unintended consequences. Diane uses crafts to prep for the apocalypse.

Virtue or vice, only YOU CAN DECIDE…

episode 24: happiness/pleasure
feb. 26, 2019

This episode we discuss Happiness/Pleasure and the positive psychology of Martin Seligman. Jana befriends a clowder (look it up!) of feral cats. Diane ponders her local restaurant options.

Don’t worry, be happy (over the long term)…

episode 23: shame/guilt
Feb. 12, 2019

It's totally fine that you never call us. No really, we understand. This week we discuss Shame/Guilt and the work of the fabulous Brené Brown (we're sure she smells GREAT). Jana brushes up on her Aussie accent. Diane just wants to be good at story time.

WE DON’T NEED YOU ANYWAY (ok we do please love us)…

episode 22: anger/compassion
Jan. 29, 2019

We're back with more Martha Nussbaum and our ol' pal Aristotle as we discuss Anger/Compassion. Jana wages war against the creepy crawlies. Diane loves a good bake-off. Our emotions are extremely positively valenced, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Hulk love anger…

episode 21: Feeling/reason
Jan. 15, 2019

We kick off our new series on emotions with Martha Nussbaum and Feeling/Reason. Jana gets back in touch with her musical roots. Diane lives her best Hallmark Christmas movie life at the grocery store.

Thinks and feels…

Season 3 - Holidays

It’s the holidays! We LOVE the holidays. What are some of the ways we can enter more thoughtfully into this celebratory time, to take seriously embedded exhortations to be grateful, generous, and generative? Join us as we celebrate the season the best way we know how: by talking about all the things we think and love about it.

episode 20: Holidays Interlude
Jan. 1, 2019

Diane pops by for a quick chat about New Year's resolutions. We'll be back in a couple of weeks with our new series on emotions. In the meantime, Happy 2019!

For Old Lang Zine (is that how you spell it?)…

episode 19: past/present/future
Dec. 18, 2018

We get into the holiday spirit by examining Past/Present/Future through the lens of "A Christmas Carol" by Charles Dickens. Jana adopts a rubber duckie. Diane falls for the siren song of a holiday candle.

When self-care goes wrong…

episode 18 - generosity/obligation
dec. 5, 2018

Continuing our mini holiday series, we dig into Generosity/Obligation and look at the philosophy of Emmanuel Levinas and Jacques Derrida. Jana is excited to finally use her wrapping paper. Diane enjoys a winter walk. Listen closely, and you can hear Jana's cats wishing you a very merry holidays! And finally, WATCH OUT FOR RAT LUNGWORM. Please pass the fruit salad!

Giving gifts is hard…

episode 17 - gratitude/guilt
Nov. 20, 2018

Just in time for Thanksgiving, we discuss Gratitude/Guilt and everyone's favorite proto emo boy, Friedrich Nietzsche. Jana is living her best fall life. Diane does not drink the bone broth.

We love you, Tom Hanks…

Season 2 - Metaphysics

Where does all this “stuff” come from? What are the first principles that guide/shape/instruct reality as we know it? We examine some of the (weird, interesting, crazy, thought-provoking) ways some of the great minds have described what makes the universe tick, with ideas from Aristotle, Sally Haslanger, and Albert Einstein, among others.

episode 16 - metaphysics interlude
Oct. 31, 2018

We close out our series on Metaphysics with a solo Jana interlude. We'll see you in a couple of weeks for the start of our holiday series. Go forth and do good!

Don’t forget to vote…

Episode 15 - mind/body
Oct. 17, 2018

Philosophical zombies are coming to eat your brains! It's the spookiest time of year, and we're discussing Mind/Body and the philosophy of David Chalmers. Jana and Diane compose piano duets and discover their next vacation destination. Bring back Qualia Fest!


Episode 14 - Space/Time
Oct. 3, 2018

With a little help from our very special guest, Chris Light, and a little help from Einstein (oh, that guy), we delve into the infinite mysteries of Space/Time. Jana and Chris are trapped in a time loop of Chicago-based television. Diane confronts her childhood space anxiety.

Listen in, but not simultaneously

Episode 13 - optimism/pessimism
Sept. 19, 2018

This episode we discuss Optimism/Pessimism and the philosophy of Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz. Jana has beef with Isaac Newton. Diane is full of cake.

Be optimistic, give us a listen!…

episode 12 - endurance/purdurance/exdurance
Sept. 5, 2018

It's a triple threat episode as we examine Endurance/Perdurance/Exdurance (gesundheit!) with some help from Sally Haslanger. Jana is officially internet ordained. Diane is haunted by the '90s.

Holier than thou…

episode 11 - essential/accidental
Aug. 22, 2018

It's a philosophy throwdown as we discuss Essential/Accidental and two philosophers with opposing views. Will there be a rumble? Jana has a little too much fun in the sun. Diane empathizes with bread.

Put up your dukes…

episode 10 - actuality/potentiality
Aug. 8, 2018

This episode we spend a little more quality time with Aristotle as we dig into Actuality/Potentiality. Jana is really into the ceramic arts. Diane shares her love for song and dance.

Will we sing? You’ll have to find out…

episode 9 - beginning/end
July 25, 2018

We begin our new series on Metaphysics by discussing Aristotle and Beginning/End. Jana preps for a grand adventure. Diane provides tips for how to spot a super villain.

Let’s get OG philosophied…


Season 1 - Existentialism

Our inaugural season focuses on what it means to be a free, will-full, responsible person in the world, and how we can use those ideas to become our most authentic selves. We examine contributions from Soren Kierkegaard, Martin Buber, Jean-Paul Sartre, and Simone deBeavoir, among others.

episode 8 - interlude (existentialism)
July 4, 2018

We pause for a moment as we officially close out our series on Existentialism. Next up, Metaphysics!

Take a breather…

episode 7 - self/no-self
June 20, 2018

Closing out our series on Existentialism, we take a look at Self/No-Self. Jana is a mermaid princess. Diane gets emotional about raccoons.

Come be part of our world…

episode 6 - social self/essential self
June 6, 2018

We unpack Social Self/Essential Self with a little help from the très chic Simone de Beauvoir. Jana cleans house. Diane tries to blend into the background.

Where’s Buster?…

episode 5 - Honesty/kindness
May 23, 2018

Cheerio, old chap! We discuss Honesty/Kindness and the philosophical musings of Anthony Ashley-Cooper, 3rd Earl of Shaftesbury. Oooooo, fancy! Jana loves amicable collisions. Diane readies her smelling salts. Jana and Diane are both freaked out by old-timey puppets.

Onward, Jeeves! …

episode 4 - self/others
May 9, 2018

We explore the push and pull dynamic that is Self/Others. Jana and Kierkegaard have a love for the ages. Diane eats all the bagels.

Everything or blueberry…

episode 3 - social meaning/personal meaning
Apr. 25, 2018

This one gets pretty heavy, friends. We dive into Viktor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning and explore Social Meaning/Personal Meaning. Jana practices her daily affirmations. Diane waits for her Hallmark movie lifestyle.

Affirm with us…

episode 2 - anxiety/peace
Apr. 11, 2018

Continuing our series on Existentialism, we discuss Anxiety/Peace and Sartre. Bad French accents abound. Jana is overwhelmed by jam. Diane contemplates chestnut trees.


episode 1 - authenticity/inauthenticity
Mar. 28, 2018

Season One of And/Or/Versus kicks off with our series on Existentialism and a discussion on Authenticity/Inauthenticity. Jana crushes hard on Kierkegaard. Diane is confused by romantic comedy tropes. 

Get authentified